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Mailbox Oct.-Dec. 2005
Letters used on this page are subject to editing.
Send mail here.
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If you do not want your correspondence to The Sun or its editor used, please mark it 'not for publication' (or NFP for short). Your name will be withheld if you want.
Correspondence to and from public officials like President Bush, Mayor Villaraigosa, City Council members and people serving on the governing boards of neighborhood councils are, however, considered public records and may be posted in full or in part if the editor feels like it.
This goes also for people asking for donations or grants from the public or who have sought or received public funds, like school-booster organizations (PTSA and FOP), the Westside Village Civic Assn. and others. |
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READER SEEKS PIX OF PALMS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
I could really use your assistance in locating old photos of Palms Elementary School on Motor Ave. I called the school, but they don't plan to have a Web site up until this next year. They said they would have some old photos there.
I attended Palms and left in 1955. I am putting together a little something for my grandchildren so they can know about their grandpa and how things were in the old days.
I have been all over the Internet and can find almost nothing.
I remember the old store on the corner next to the school and the old Palms Theater down the way near Venice Blvd. I understand the old store was boarded up and maybe even torn down. Would like to get some photos of that as well.
I was at http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/history/charnock-road-school.htm and that brought me to your Web site.
Another quick question: The little library located around the corner from Palms Elementary, I think it was either on Regent Street or the next one over. Is that still there or has it been torn down?
And is there a local historical society and a chamber of commerce that might have some of the old photos I am looking for?
ROBERT GRAGG
Dec. 30, 2005
[Editor's note: This correspondence is continued in the next installment of Letters.]
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| HOPE TO FORM A PALMS HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Thanks for your e-mail.
The library was on the southeast corner of Vinton and Woodbine, not around the corner from Palms Elementary. It's been torn down; a little park is there today. See this map.
The store was a block south of Palms Elementary, on Motor at the northeast corner of Tabor. It was a Safeway for a long time but is now a Hispanic grocery called the Palms Market.
There is no Palms historic society, although I hope to form one either separately or as branch of the Culver City Historical Society. I just haven't had the time. Julie Lugo Cerra, the queen of the CCHS, has access to a lot of Palms material which she has promised to share with anyone who wants to look through it. Reach her at http://www.culvercity.org/cityinfo/history/ask.html .
You can get an aerial view by going to this page (doesn't work in all browsers). Just click on "Hybrid" when you reach that page. There's a way to zoom in, too.
You can also get a view of modern Palms Elementary by going to this Amazon beta page.
If you have any reminiscences of Palms, I would like to have them for The Palms-Village Sun.
GEORGE GARRIGUES
Dec. 30, 2005
[Editor's note: This correspondence is continued on the Jan.-March 2006 Letters page.]
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IS NATIONAL/OVERLAND CONDO PLAN TOO BIG?
I was wondering if I could please have your permission to print out your article on the huge condo complex slated for Overland/National and pass it out to my neighbors? I would make sure your Web site address and your name were credited for the info. I think people should know about both the complex and your great web site too!
I am just renting, but I like my apartment, and I know long-term renters around me would be interested in reducing the size of this condo plan.
My parking space is in that alley they are talking about "widening"!
ERIN CURRY
Dec. 22, 2005
[Editor's note: Of course you can use anything that is on this site. But as for "just" renting well, renting is a way of life for most people in L.A., by choice for the vast majority of them. Historic Palms is 90% renters, and even Westside Village has an overwhelming renter population of some 70%. Maybe we should print some bumper stickers saying, "I AM RENTING IN PALMS AND PROUD OF IT."]
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A POST OFFICE SHRUB AND SOME CONSTRUCTION THAT SEEMS TO GO ON FOREVER
Thanks for getting that tree, shrub cleared out by the Post Office driveway [see Elsewhere in 90034, some tree-trimming, and not the Christmas kind]. I go out of that driveway every day, and it's hard enough getting out. With the shrub it was nearly impossible. I saw a postal employee trying to trim it quite a while ago, but no one's done anything for quite a while. Thanks again for your efforts.
Do you happen to know what that mysterious building on Venice and Clarington is going to be? Why is it taking so long to be built?
JOHN GUNN
Dec. 21, 2005
[Editor's note: That monumental structure on Venice Blvd. is a live-work, multi-use project of the Kor Corp., which in late 2003 gave a thorough explanation to the uncertified Palms Neighborhood Council of what would be built there. Read about it here.]
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OLD-TIMER SEEKS PHOTOS OF PALMS IN THE PAST
Sorry about the Tom delay. I haven't forgotten you! It's just that money comes before fun. Especially when one is trying to survive.
And, the more you do on the Web, the more you have to do. I'm sure that I do not have to explain this TO YOU! I'm sure you see this, too!
I have fixed the link to you on my Charnock Road School Web page. I have also added links to you from my 3345 Mentone Ave. page, and my 3559 Veteran Ave. page.
I have a number of other stories to tell, but without photos, well, it's just not the same.
Like Dedrick Real Estate on Motor Ave. My grandma used to take me there. What a place! It was a virtual museum. And the back yard a tropical jungle.
I wish I could crawl into the attics of long-time Palms residents, and steal the photos that might be there. When they die, the photos will be trashed. What a loss! I wonder if we (you) might be able to offer a standing reward for really good historical photos. What both you and I would love to have, will probably be tossed some day. Just a thought.
Please keep me on your mailing list! Your site is lots of fun, for an old fart like me!
Keep barking, George!
VAUGHN AUBUCHON
Nov. 28, 2005
[Aubuchon is a technical writer who lives in Soquel, near Santa Cruz. He grew up in Palms (Westside Village); that's him as a teenager, above, in the back yard of his Veteran Ave. home, with the formerly ubiquitous back-yard incinerator behind him. Click here to see what is at that address today. Click here to see a bigger Palms incinerator.]
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LONG-TIME RESIDENT; FIRST-TIME WRITER
I love getting your e-mails about the history of Palms and events happening here. I've lived here since 1978.
JULAINE KONSELMAN
Nov. 21, 2005
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TAKE YOUR PICK
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AHH, WHO READS THE PALMS-VILLAGE SUN ANYWAY?
[Editor's Note: An Oct. 10 letter by Cliff Cheng concerning the Westside Village representative on the Board of the Mar Vista Community Council (below) was deemed by The Sun editor to contain a possibly libelous statement, which was deleted. The rest of the letter, being fair comment on a public figure, was printed as submitted by the author. Upon being informed of this, Tom Ponton, the chair of the Mar Vista council, sent the following e-mail.]
Not sure what you deleted but it still looks libelous to me. At the very least, it's extremely inaccurate and a glowing example of why most people don't look at your Web site.
TOM PONTON
Nov. 17, 2005
[Ponton is chair of the Mar Vista Community Council.]
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PALMS-VILLAGE SUN WILL BE A 'FAVORITE PLACE'
Thank you for this wonderful Web site. I didnt realize the area at Venice Blvd and Clarington was also considered to be part of Palms. I found this Web site by accident, but I will definitely make it a favorite place for reference as we both live and, now it seems, work in the Palms District.
If you have a chance, could you please correct the address listing for our restaurant to the following:
Giovannis Trattoria
10026 Venice Blvd
And if you could include a link to our website that would be great: http://www.giovannistrattoria.com.
Thank you so much!
LINDA PRINZO
Nov. 17, 2005
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YES, WE KNOW HOW IT GOES
I appreciate what you are doing about keeping us informed in the Palms area. I keep planning on becoming more involved, but with work, starting new businesses, trying to keep the old ones going, etc., you know how it goes.
I'm sorry I won't be around for the walking tour on the 26th. Visiting family for Thanksgiving.
Just wanted to encourage you to keep up the good work.
With warm regards,
PATSY BELLALH
Nov. 20, 2005
Bellah Business Support Services
3748 Westwood Blvd., #3
Palms, CA 90034
(310) 840-2957
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SADDENED TO SEE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE DESTROYED
I just saw your article in [September 2005] Palms Village Sun ["1911 Craftsman house is razed; was home to ranchers, doctor, teacher"].
I grew up in the house next door 3657 Motor, which is now the Montessori school. My parents moved in right before my birth in 1954 and sold it in 1978. I drove by a few weeks ago and was saddened to see that the beautiful house [next door] was gone. I had hoped that it might have been moved and preserved.
During my youth the house was owned by an elderly couple who had no children, but had two cats. Although the home may have only had one "real" bathroom, the owner built a special "kitty bathroom" next to the back door. The man was in the landscape business and maintained a greenhouse in the rear of the property.
I loved the house, with its wood detailing, and the porch. Thank you for the picture which I can keep in my computer "scrapbook."
NAOMI LOVE BECK
Nov. 8, 2005
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NEWSLETTER OF FRIENDS OF PALMS MIDDLE SCHOOL
The Friends of Palms has implemented several communication tools this year in an effort to help parents feel more connected and to build a community feeling, as well.
We now have a weekly email blast that goes out every Monday to inform parents of school news and to remind parents of school events. If you do not want to be on our email list please do nothing. However, if you DO want to be on our email list please reply to this email with the word YES in the subject line. You will automatically be added.
We now have a newly restructured and very informational website. Please take a look at all the new information at www.palmsmiddleschool.org. The information is updated weekly.
PATTI J. LAWHON
Nov. 2, 2005
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ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT RELEASED FOR EXPO LINE
Although I'm sure you've heard already, I just wanted to let you know that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority has released its final environmental impact report for the Expo Line Phase I. All the documents are at http://www.mta.net/projects_plans/exposition/feis.htm but I doubt anyone who isn't a traffic engineer would want to read anything but the Executive Summary.
I had forgotten to mention this at the time, but the picture of the "modern bus" that you posted in your July editorial against use of the Cheviot Hills right-of-way for the Expo Line is of a Metroliner that will only be used on the Orange Line busway up in the Valley. Articulated buses of that length cannot easily be used on city streets.
PETER McFERRIN
Oct. 11, 2005
[McFerrin is an occasional contributor to The Sun.]
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TOO MANY RED FLAGS TO PATRONIZE WV BANK
Thanks for telling us about Mr. [Robert] Mednick's lack of attendance and indifference to the office he ran for in the Mar Vista Community Council [Village Representation Stinks, September 2005].
I was considering opening up an account at Wells Fargo since it is the only bank in the Westside VillagePalms area. I believe it is important to support local businesses. However, they must support us back.
If the manager and VP of this bank has a poor attendance record [as a director of the Mar Vista Community Council] and is as indifferent to the community as you say he is, then I doubt he will take good care of my money. . . . There are too many red flags to go ahead and open an account at Wells Fargo.
I would like to see a community-oriented bank, and not a unit of a big chain bank, move here and serve us with respect.
CLIFF CHENG, Ph.D.
Oct. 10, 2005
[Editor's note: In defense of Wells Fargo's relationship with the community, The Sun would like to point out that the management in San Francisco contacted the editor for assistance in decorating the bank before it was opened on Palms Blvd. just east of Sepulveda.
[The result was a large mural on the east wall showing historic views of Palms, including the old Palms Theater (where the post office is now), the Palms Library when it was across the street from Woodbine Park and the landmark Palms Railroad Station, which is now the visitors' reception center at Heritage Square in the Arroyo Seco.
[Branch manager Mednick has also offered space at the bank for the Palms Neighborhood Council or any other community organization to distribute fliers or other information about local events.
[There is another Wells Fargo Bank in Palms on Washington Blvd. But that one (even though it is within the city limits of Los Angeles) is known as the Culver City branch and has no mural or any other sign indicating its connection with Palms.]
Bank manager showed his commitment to a local nonprofit
I just wanted to throw in my two cents about the bank situation in Palms: try the CalNational on Overland. It's not exactly in Palms, but it's just up the street [at Pico], and the people are wonderful.
I run a nonprofit learning center in Palms (also on Overland). Although we serve over 60 students now, when we opened a year ago we had a roster of four kids. And, one afternoon, Wendell New (vice president and the manager of the Rancho Park branch) walked in. We had almost no money and would never be a big account for them. But he made an appointment with me, came to me (at my convenience), made a presentation and within a couple of days we opened an account.
Not only are Wendell and the rest of his staff consistently friendly and helpful but they also made a generous donation to our fledging organization and are clearly committed to serving the local community.
They're good folks. So, if you're looking for a bank, give them a try.
TIFFANI CHIN
[Oct. 20, 2005]
[Editor's note: What's more, Palms Business Representative F. Danny Monempour has his office in the same building.]
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SHOULD BILLBOARDS BE IN NON-ENGLISH LANGUAGES?
Signs in Spanish are offensive and discriminatory
I would like to find out how I can voice my protest and concerns about McDonald's all-Spanish billboard advertising via Vista Media on Exposition Blvd. just north of Palms Blvd. near the 10 Freeway.
I have called Vista Media Group several times to protest this all-Spanish-language sign. My calls fall on deaf ears. They replaced the one sign with an English Honda ad and then put up another McDonald's all-Spanish sign a few feet away.
I find it offensive and discriminatory as I do not speak Spanish. This is the United States, and it should at least have English with Spanish subtext. This letter is not about being racist or prejudiced against Latins or Spanish-speaking people. We more than accommodate Spanish-speaking people now to the point where English is being eliminated, and this is wrong!
However, as an English-speaking person, in the United States of America, where English is our national language, I am finding more and more businesses putting up all-Spanish signs. and this is not fair nor inclusive of English-speaking people like myself. I get the message that English is being replaced; we as English-speaking people are being replaced and ignored, forced to leave or speak their language.
I would like to petition to have this offensive sign removed. It is all in Spanish. and I don't want it in my neighborhood unless they are willing to include English in the advertisement. I have tried to contact McDonald's corporate offices and get no return phone calls either. Who can I contact to get someone's ears and attention to investigating this blatant discrimination against English-speaking people? If they start with one all-Spanish ad, then sooner rather than later we will have more signs in Spanish because we allow this discrimination.
I encourage any other English-speaking person who feels the same as I do about all-Spanish billboards in our neighborhood to call Vista Media Group at [omitted] and voice your concerns and requests to have this sign removed or replaced with English first and Spanish in the subtext.
If we have to accommodate Spanish-speaking people who refuse to learn English and live here, we can at least set standards that signs in our neighborhoods should be bilingual and certainly be in English primarily, with Spanish subtext.
TOM HICKEY
Sept. 20, 2005
[Hickey is a 10-year Palms resident who lives on National southeast of Overland. The sign in question has been replaced by one in Portuguese (above, right), with English translation.]
No group should be made to feel unwelcome in stores
The knee-jerk liberal in me wants to say that Tom Hickey is engaging in bigotry, however unintentional. (Who uses the term Latins anymore, and how the hell does anyone get along in this town without at least a cursory knowledge of Spanish?)
But he's right to denounce the proliferation of Spanish-only signs and billboards.
I disagree with his insistence on English being in a larger typeface than Spanish or other languages, but I don't think anyone can argue that signage ought to be intelligible to as many people as possible; since English is the language of 90% of Americans, it ought to appear at least somewhere on every sign.
No group should EVER be made to feel unwelcome in a commercial establishment owned by a member of ANY ethnicity, which is what single-language signs do in places where there is a multiplicity of languages spoken. In the case of billboards, this feeling of "you're not welcome here" can be extended to a neighborhood as a whole. Business owners in ethnically diverse communities like Palms should try to make their establishments feel welcome to all.
Friends from the San Gabriel Valley Asian, Latino, and Anglo have indicated to me that the proliferation of Chinese-only signage, in similarly diverse places like Monterey Park and Pasadena, has contributed significantly to racial tensions in the region. It quite clearly tells non-Chinese that they are unwanted in a store, and that's just not right. Here in L.A., I encountered much the same situation vis-a-vis Korean-owned businesses when I lived in Koreatown and most of the people in that neighborhood are actually Latino immigrants!
Yes, there's a long and deeply unpleasant history of discrimination against non-Anglos in this town. (To be fair, LA's got nothing on San Diego in that department.) Whether or not we're truly past that, one thing is clear: there is NO tangible benefit to be gained by the Latino community if it advertises only in Spanish.
Some may argue that America is a "salad bowl" instead of a "melting pot," but salads don't have all their ingredients on separate plates!
PETER McFERRIN
Sept. 22, 2005
Excuse me for not knowing what Latin people want to be called this week
I would like to respond to Peter Ferrin's accusation of me being a bigot. I don't understand if a person is Latin, Irish, German, Filipino how is that being a bigot for referring to one's culture?
Recently, I was told Latin people do not want to be called Hispanic, which in school for years we were taught means "of Spanish descent." Excuse me for not knowing what Latin people want to be called this week. I asked many of my friends who are LATIN. and they told me that in no way was my letter or reference to their culture in any way offensive or bigoted.
We can't keep accommodating everyone to the point of excluding the English language. My great-great grandfather came here from Germany and learned English right away. They spoke German at home and kept it for the next generation. and we still celebrate that culture in other ways, but they came to a new country and learned the language.
The point is why is it we have to have Spanish-, Chinese-, etc.. language-only signs, ads, etc.. period? The very first thing I now see walking into the Bank of America on National and Sepulveda is a full ALL-SPANISH-language sign. English is on the back. When I asked the branch manager why. he stated, "Well, English is on the back, you know."
'Nuff said I got the message loud and clear.
I am not alone in this frustration, but then again I feel I am. I'm not a bigot for questioning and speaking out against the situation. which. by the way. is growing worse.
TOM HICKEY
Oct. 1, 2005
[Hickey's letter has been shortened considerably.
[The sign at the Bank of America Sepulveda-National branch has been turned around, as of Oct. 1, with the English side (aimed at people who want to refinance their homes) facing the entrance and the Spanish side (directed at those who want to send money to their relatives in Mexico with a SafeSend® card) turned toward the interior of the bank.
[Of course, somebody might flip the sign again, without notice.]
Archie Bunkers should get out of their armchairs and into the world
I can't sit on my hands after reading the exchange of letters about non-English signs in Palms area businesses. I am somewhat shocked that Archie Bunker still exists 23 years after "All in the Family" left the air.
My simple comment to each of these letter writers and supporters of English-language signs is this: Not everything is about YOU.
These letter-writers exhibit exactly the kind of behavior that causes some Americans to be some of the worst tourists on earth.
Is the U.S. a great place? Sure it is! Is it great because it's better than other places? No.
The assertion that all signs in the US should be directed at our English-speaking residents verges on fanatical patriotism. George Bernard Shaw once wrote, "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
Why are both letter-writers so threatened by commerce that is not pointed directly at them? Would these same letter writers object to products directed at women? Probably not. At African Americans? Probably not. And yet if a Korean-born citizen of the United States decides to open a store and sell products to his former fellow countrymen in the language of his birth, this is a problem for these guys? RIDICULOUS!
Do you think that the use of non-English signs is an invitation to shop elsewhere? Why not try going in and spending some money on products in those stores and see how unwelcome you feel. I suspect you will be welcomed with open arms the next time you wander past.
What's next? Should all text books be rewritten in a form of English dumbed down enough for all Americans to be able to understand?
I have news for the both of you, the strength of the U.S. and the tenaciousness of its people are what define the U.S. more so than its use of English. We are not subject to monarchies, we are not subjugated through use of class lines, and we are some of the most driven people on the planet. The U.S. will survive the use of non-English language signs, and not because a small group of white men petition the Bank of America.
May I humbly make one final suggestion? Travel outside the borders of the U.S. now and then. You'll find that there are other countries on this big planet and that lessons in tolerance and trust come in many different languages other than English, and often don't require the use of any language at all.
SEAN EVERETT
Nov. 20, 2005
[Everett is an apartment manager who lives near Palms and Overland.]
The answer: Get rid of ALL the monstrosities
I think the really important point in this discussion of which language to use on billboards on the Westside is this:
There shouldn't be any billboards at all!
That we are even subjected to these ugly monstrosities in the middle of our city is outrageous. If I lived in the middle of nowhere, I might welcome a roadside billboard anything to break up the boredom but this city is plenty cluttered already, and every day I see a corner in L.A. which might actually be almost picturesque were it not for the eyesore looming above it, ruining any chance for a view.
Next time you're driving the city streets, count how many billboards you see in a five-minute period. Then call your local congressperson and yell at them.
PAUL SINFIELD
Nov. 20, 2005
[Sinfield lives in Westside Village.]
Enough already! No more letters about billboards!
If you want to meet somebody who DEFENDS billboards, click here to read Deadrea Kiara.
THE EDITOR
Nov. 20, 2005
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WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE OF COMMUNICATION
Why should we be separated from our neighborhood assns.?
I have patiently waded through your e-mails of late and have only one question: Why do you care so about whether we are joined in with other associations for more power, rather than separating us from our neighborhood associations?
BARBARA SPIELBERG
Sept. 20, 2005
[Spielberg is a block captain in the Westside Village Civic Assn.]
I truly don't understand your question
I am not sure that I understand your question. What "neighborhood associations" are you referring to? And what do you mean by "separating"? I have never written about "separating" neighborhood associations, only about separating Palms from Mar Vista so far as neighborhood councils go.
The Mar Vista Community Council and the Palms Neighborhood Councils are not "neighborhood associations"; they are part of the city government and are supposed to be formed in accordance with the City Charter. The charter specifies that the neighborhood councils are to be composed of homeowners, renters and business people and that they are to follow recognized neighborhood boundaries, which wasn't done in the case of Mar Vista.
Westside Village was joined with Mar Vista on the signatures of only 15 people in WV [the reader can count them on the map to the left] and with no notice posted anywhere in the Village and with no notice given to any local organization except the Westside Village Civic Assn.
Does "we" refer to the Westside Village Civic Assn., which is a homeowners' association? Nothing keeps the WVCA from joining with other such homeowners' groups. The information sent you in the WVCA bulletins is really inaccurate; the WVCA didn't "join" the Mar Vista Community Council. It didn't have that authority to do so.
I wish I could answer your question better, but I truly don't understand it.
GEORGE GARRIGUES
Sept. 20, 2005
[Garrigues is the editor and owner of The Palms-Village Sun]
But why does it have so much significance?
My query has to do with why this has such significance to you and why it should be important to WV homeowners.
BARBARA SPIELBERG
Sept. 20, 2005
It's something we learned in elementary school
To me, I guess because I believe in democracy and the rule of law. I think the WV homeowners who signed the petitions more than a hundred, as I remember feel the same way. We learn about this in the fifth grade.
I hope this helps your understanding of the situation.
GEORGE GARRIGUES
Sept. 20, 2005
Don't send any more notices about news in our area
Thank you for your response. which really did not answer my questions as to what your personal interest is. Please remove me from your e-mail list.
BARBARA SPIELBERG
Sept. 22, 2005
It's all those engravings of Benjamin Franklin that did it
Oh, THAT personal interest! Well, I am being showered with 100-dollar bills by the Palms lobbyists.
GEORGE GARRIGUES
Sept. 28, 2005
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